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#10111 - 09/20/02 08:35 AM Dropping the ball
sandee Offline
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Registered: 09/19/02
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A/S/L: 45/F/MI
I have an Ebonite Vortex 14 lb ball with a somewhat relaxed fingertip and throw a backup with not too terrible results. Lately, though, I can't seem to get the ball out and drop it at the line. My husband says the ball is too heavy for me, but I think it is because I get to the line before the ball does. Any suggestions?

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#10112 - 09/20/02 07:05 PM Re: Dropping the ball
tweaker41 Offline
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Registered: 08/21/02
Posts: 20
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put some tape in the ball then or use some rosin. Thats about all there is to do. Technically if u want the ball to hook u want to release it at the line notlike lob it out there a bit, u will get moe hook. I dont' know to what extent u mean droppin it though.

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#10113 - 09/20/02 10:53 PM Re: Dropping the ball
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Registered: 07/27/02
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Go to your Pro-SDhop and have the grip checked. You may need to have the thumb pitches changed. Grips do change over time and yours may have. Then take a lesson from a local coach...someone who can possibly spot what your problem is and suggest a correction.
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#10114 - 10/09/02 08:24 AM Re: Dropping the ball
Dizzy Offline
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Registered: 06/25/01
Posts: 64
A/S/L: 49/M/Pennsylvania
If the ball doesn't feel heavy to you, it probably isn't. Yes, tape could help. Look to see where the front pad of your thumb is in the thumb hole and place sone strips of white Bowlers Tape at thet point(it won't be directly toward the fingers).

Yes, the thumb pitch could be off, but many ball drillers don't know how to drill thumb holes with the proper pitch. The general rule is that a 4 1/4 inch spzn should have 0 pitch. From there take the difference between your span and 4 1/4" and divide by two. That's a good starting pitch. For example, a 4 1/2" span would need a 1/8 reverse pitch and a 4" span would need a 1/8 forward pitch. Many ball drillers don't use this simple approach and give too much reverse pitch to shorter spans, They can't believe they shoud ever put so much forward pitch in a short fingertip span.

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#10115 - 10/11/02 05:40 AM Re: Dropping the ball
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Registered: 07/27/02
Posts: 280
A/S/L: 86,male,SF Bay Area
Munsonball's remarks about the pitch relating to span are correct as far as they go. However, you also have to consider the flexibility of the thumb along with the span. A 4" span, for example, can range from 3/16" forward to 1/16" reverse and still be considered correct. A good way to roughly evaluate the matter is to consider the grip(span+pitches+holes) as a pie chart formula. The span makes up 40%, the pitches 40% and the hole size 20%. The thumb pitch is 40% and this relates to 61.66 degree angle.If the relationships are not 40-40-20, the grip might still be acceptable, but have the potential for causing trouble, such as excessive callus formation and joint pain After considering flexibility you have to look at the length and moistness (or dryness) and size Additionally, although Bill Taylor doesn't believe in side pitch, if you do drill in some side pitch the span has to be shortened or lengthened. As for your comments about drillers not knowing what they are doing, you may have a point...however, if you seek out an IBPSIA CertifedTechnician, you will find that he or she will probably be quite competent.I would also submit that most bowlers do not know as much about ball drilling as do experienced ball drillers, and your best bet is to see an experienced driller, preferably one who is at least an IBPSIA member.
Doc
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#10116 - 10/11/02 06:39 AM Re: Dropping the ball
Coachrich Offline
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Registered: 04/03/01
Posts: 569
A/S/L: Chesterland, Ohio
Sandee,

I whole-heartedly agree with Okorimbo. I have found that most students who drop the ball at the line have fit challenges. If tape or rosin is added to increase grip on a poor fit, the result is a bowler that is out of balances and hops or falls over at the line.

It has been my experience that IBPSIA trained drillers are the best ball-drilling professionals in the business. It is extremely rare for me to work with someone that has a poor fit from an IBPSIA driller. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of them out there.

Hope this helps,
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#10117 - 10/11/02 08:36 AM Re: Dropping the ball
sandee Offline
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Registered: 09/19/02
Posts: 2
A/S/L: 45/F/MI
Thanks everyone for your tips. I will be taking my ball back to the driller and see if the pitch is correct.

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