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#199267 - 03/25/18 08:30 AM Re: For the good of the sport? [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I sort of learned how to hook without the "hook in a box". In the fall of 1995, I got my first "high end" ball, which is the Turbo in my avatar. It was an upgrade to a 16 lb ball from a more generic 14 lb urethane with a pancake block. At the same time, my center installed synthetic lanes. I'm not sure whether the ball or the lanes played more of a factor in this, but my average jumped around 20-30 pins that season to be averaging with the top bowlers in high school who were all using resin. My average dropped the first season I used resin until I got used to it.

Keep in mind that until somewhat recently, everyone also thought that the motion of the ball was skid, roll, hook. A ball that is rolling without slipping/sliding (the USBC roll phase) experiences static friction and physically cannot hook unless the static weights are crazy illegal. A ball in the roll phase without sliding/slipping would never gain RPMs. The point of contact of the ball has to be sliding relative to the lane for kinetic friction to cause a change in direction and an increase in RPMs. Imagine rolling any ball on a perfectly level surface such that its direction of motion is perpendicular to the axis around which it rotates; it will not change direction. You mentioned side rotation earlier. If the ball's motion relative to the lane is straight forwards and it has side rotation, it experiences kinetic friction and is not rolling without slipping/sliding no matter how many RPMs the ball has.

This was more about asking what you mean by roll vs. what the USBC means by the roll phase, which was my original question. We have to be careful with observations as they also need to be justified by reasoning that is consistent across all phenomenon.

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For the good of the sport? BOSStull 03/11/18 10:10 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 03/11/18 10:15 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/11/18 11:30 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 03/13/18 06:54 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/14/18 08:44 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/14/18 10:22 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 03/15/18 04:14 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? djp1080 03/11/18 11:31 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? SteveH 03/11/18 11:49 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? champ 03/11/18 05:58 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? wronghander 03/13/18 09:43 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BillinPhilly 08/31/18 10:03 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 08/31/18 10:34 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 08/31/18 11:16 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 09/01/18 12:58 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 09/01/18 07:56 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 09/01/18 08:06 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? BillinPhilly 09/01/18 08:41 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 09/01/18 09:38 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 09/01/18 10:25 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 03/12/18 07:47 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/13/18 09:05 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? BowlerBill 03/14/18 08:59 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/15/18 11:23 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/16/18 12:38 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 6_ball_man 03/16/18 08:30 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 03/18/18 10:28 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/18/18 11:41 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/18/18 12:52 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/20/18 11:38 PM
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Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/22/18 04:32 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/21/18 12:22 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/21/18 12:24 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? SteveH 03/22/18 11:45 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? SportBowler Joe 03/23/18 12:37 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 03/23/18 02:53 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/23/18 03:54 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? SteveH 03/23/18 11:05 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/23/18 11:18 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 03/23/18 05:51 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/24/18 07:31 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 03/24/18 07:57 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? djp1080 03/24/18 03:19 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/24/18 03:38 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 03/25/18 04:46 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/25/18 08:30 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? djp1080 03/25/18 11:08 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/25/18 02:00 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 03/25/18 02:17 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/25/18 03:39 PM
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Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/25/18 06:53 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/25/18 08:06 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/31/18 12:28 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 03/25/18 03:39 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 03/31/18 09:16 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/31/18 11:27 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 03/31/18 03:22 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dylan585 03/31/18 11:30 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 04/25/18 09:25 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 04/24/18 09:40 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 04/24/18 04:19 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 04/24/18 04:45 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 6_ball_man 04/25/18 03:00 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? djp1080 04/25/18 04:24 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 04/25/18 04:45 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? Mkirchie 04/25/18 08:54 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 04/26/18 08:35 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? wronghander 04/28/18 12:31 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 04/28/18 12:45 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? wronghander 06/16/18 06:07 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 06/16/18 06:39 PM
Re: For the good of the sport? BOSStull 04/26/18 10:31 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 04/29/18 10:42 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 04/29/18 10:47 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? SteveH 04/29/18 10:51 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? 82Boat69 04/29/18 11:06 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? SteveH 04/29/18 11:40 AM
Re: For the good of the sport? Dennis Michael 04/29/18 10:29 PM
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